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Indie Rock: Post-punk vs. Post-rock

How to Tell the Difference Between Post-Punk and Post-Rock

Apr 30, 2009 Mary Simpson

When reading album descriptions or quick reviews, its easy to confuse these two indie genres - and many do. However, they have some considerable differences.

Some critics and music columnists do use Post-rock and Post-punk interchangeably, and there is no steadfast rule in indie music that defines these two genres as being completely and inarguably separate. However, for cultured indie music buffs, those with specific stylistic taste, or a sensitive, trained ear, there are distinguishable differences. The when, who, where, and what has everything to do with the kind of artistry they've delivered to our ears.

The History of Post-punk

Post-punk is the older of these two genres of the indie/underground music scene. Most people accredit Sonic Youth as being the first major Post-punk band, who were a noise band that gained popularity with an independent lable in the mid to late 80's. The previous punk music movement of the 60's and 70's stapled a reputation and notoriety for rebellion, attitude, and messy, simple three-chord progressions. Post-punk was a response to original punk rock, and sought to include a depth and a committment to serious artistic expression.

Post-punk focuses on more idealistic notions: a phlegmatic approach to popularity, emphasis on artistic pursuits, a middle finger to corporate music institutions, and political protest. Other early Post-punk bands include Folk Implosion, The Flaming Lips, and Nirvana, who were the first to break heavily into the mainstream.

The Indie Post-punk Sound

While a lot of Post-punk bands are also called "noise bands," there is not a complete lack of structure as is implied by the sub-genre name, but there is a paradoxical element of "structured noise." One of the qualities of Post-punk is that it can have all-inclusive elements of psychedelic, experimental, folk, and even blues/jazz styles. The Flaming Lips are well-known for having many songs with varied stylistic sounds, differing greatly from one to the next.

Along Came Post-rock

It would not be presumptuous to say that Post-rock was influenced by Post-punk, at least in a few ways. Post-rock mostly began in the mid-90's, with Mogwai and Godspeed!You Black Emperor being two of the first. It could be just as easy to say that Godspeed is a combination of Post-punk and Post-rock, given their heavy political and social protest. Post-rock followed extremely close on the heels of Post-punk, and with the exception of Sonic Youth, many bands in these two genres popped into the scene around the same time. Some other major Post-rock bands would be Explosions in the Sky, Sigur Ros, and Mono.

Post-rock Cacophanies

One of the most self-evident differences between these two indie music genres is that Post-rock bands do not typically have vocalists, save for one or two. Most include symphonic percussion, stringed, brass, or wind instruments in their ensembles. Also, the songs are much longer, very epic, and very un-radio-friendly. While Post-punk can be erratically versatile and artistic, yet loosely structured, Post-rock is very structured; often orchestrated with tense builds and exploding crescendos of violins, cellos, horns, flutes, and yet still all the bass, drums, guitar distortion and flanger effects of rock.

Post-punk and Post-rock may be the two coolest genres of indie/underground music, and include phenomenal bands who have broken the typical and redundant molds of mainstream productions in bold and magnificent ways. Both have contributed heart and innovation to the underground music world, and continue to produce albums with an increasing display of creativity, emotive genius, and the ability to raise the bar of artistic standards.

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May 18, 2009 10:47 PM
Guest :
Wow, it's very interesting to see rock music from your perspective.
What about Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, King Crimson? They were considered Post-rock but in the 70's. Whereas Joy Division, Talking Heads and Suicide, Wire, Gang of Four were considered Post Punk at the end of the 70's...maybe i am just too old...?
Thanks for your text, i really enjoy it.
May 19, 2009 9:33 AM
Mary Simpson :
Nearly all of those bands fall under either Progressive rock or Progressive punk. Post-rock was not a genre until the 90's. Post-punk came about in the 80's.
Jan 13, 2010 10:44 PM
Mary Simpson :
As a clarification or addendum to this article, some things were edited out that were intended to be a part of the article, due to word limits and strict editing rules (also why I no longer write for Suite 101). The result is a music article that is missing a few of my original important points. I've gotten several replies/responses in this respect.
While I do not necessarily believe the addendum is essential, this is an attempt to acknowledge there are some things that could have been included, that weren't, but is by no means, an all-inclusive list.
- Joy Division was a leading post punk band, probably the first, not Sonic Youth. The articles says most people credit Sonic Youth - which on the whole is true. It does not state that Sonic Youth IS the first post punk band. What was left out is that it is a common misnomer.
- There is some debate as to when the punk movement started. I stated 60's and 70's, because I found several sources that affirmed there were "punkling" bands as early as 1968. However, punk is primarily attributed to being a 70's decade genre. Post-punk came about in the 80's, perhaps at the very end of 70's, depending upon who you ask.
- As far as the sound of post-punk, it varies from band to band. The incorporation of other music styles into punk is not a static characteristic, nor are stylistic influences and sounds the same in every post punk band. Some bands may use infusions of jazz and blues, and others may use funk.
Please remember, music is subjective. Even music history can be subjective, especially when one is talking about genres and who started them and when they really came about. Not even professional music critics agree with each other, concerning these matters. Please keep in mind, when posting your comments, that for the most part, music genres and music styles are a subjective topic, and meant to be discussed and appreciated, not nit-picked over dates or every specific element that may or may not be mentioned in a general overview.
Also keep in mind, that the primary goal of the article is to establish the difference between post punk and post rock, not to give hard core facts about dates and nit-pick over small details that are inconsequential to the main topic of the article.
Your comments are more than welcome, and if you have warranted criticism about the main point, that is welcome as well. However, please refrain from corrections over subjective matters that detract from the original intention of the article: to clarify and distinguish post punk from post rock.
Thank you,
M.E. Simpson
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